NSSF estimates 434 million civilian firearms, 20 million of which are MSRs. 9mm I loaded hot (1350-1380 fps with a 115) and it took right at 7 pounds for 6K. You expect a revolution from the very folks who did not vote and refuse to do anything to support our constitution. NO, I was thinking of people who for reasons of age or infirmity had to stay in their homes and couldn’t, physically take the field. The “Americans are sitting on 8 trillion rounds”, is absurd. (Magazines add weight too!) yeah, and when you have the chief justice of the supreme court writing a dissent against the 1st amendment, you know just how close we really are. Modernization of production lines and new technologies has provided the abilities to meet this mission with a reduced infrastructure. Who could use 5,000 rounds of ammo during the commission of a crime? The principal companies are Du PONT’s, in Delaware; HAZZARD’s, at Enfield, Conn.; LAFLIN, SMITH & BOIES, at Saugerties; the Oriental Gunpowder Company, of Boston, and the Schaghticoke Gunpowder Company, at Schaghticoke. Pounds as a measure of cannon bore. It still takes resources to remove those people from their entrenched positions. Probably just me. 09-24-2018, 08:21 PM. We are in a world of COMMUNIST now. Those companies do not manufacture their own smokeless powder. 10,000 rds of centerfire 10,000 rds of rimfire 5,000 rds for shotguns 1,000 caps or other small arms primers not more that 16 pounds of smokeless propellent not more that 2 pounds of black powder Accoring to 527 CMR 13.04(1)(e) Huh? a quick internet search shows 300 million as the most common number accepted as the number of gun owners. No one complains. (Wink, wink), when going through SAPS, any left over ammo will be declared as expended. What you have in mind is approx. Just as here in Montana, many folks think that “Western Powders” manufactures smokeless powder, and they do not. Using the figure of 54 million over 65, we can assume at least half never owned or passed on ownership of their guns to family members for an additional 27 million not willing or able to own guns for a total of 130,000,000 Americans removed from the total… Read more ». In 2014, we imported smokeless powder from 21 different countries. per passenger, that is an FAA regulation. This too shall pass. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30-year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation. 1) 11 pounds per traveler unless Alaska Airlines then they allow 50 pounds 2) no declaration required as a courtesy you can tell them you have ammo in your checked luggage 3) they reserve the right to weigh the ammo separately My theory is 11.25 is not 12 pounds so you are still in the 11 pound range and good to go. 1000rd 5.56 weight? I never heard of a policeman/soldier/fighter complain about too much ammo when they got in a firefight. 25 pounds or less of small arms smokeless powder, no restrictions 25 to 50 pounds of small arms smokeless powder, they must be stored in a strong box or cabinet constructed of a minimum of ¾-inch plywood or equivalent material, on all sides, top, and bottom (2) Commercial stocks. In World War II, the U.S. produced 21.6 billion rounds of small arms ammunition per year. 43 lbs. I can stuff about 13 boxes into the can so that means about 26 lbs plus the weight of the can. 11 lbs. 300M is close to the total population of 350M, so that is an unlikely number. Prices reflect shipping and higher business costs, think 10 to 20 percent higher. Low on ammunition…??? Ranges and other shooting venues, with COVID, shouldn’t be consuming massive amounts. Now only the Lake City plant is operational. Media making sure of that. This itself is a low estimate 1: MSRs are only counted since the 1990s (Any SP-01 or pre-86 M16 just simply isn’t counted as one). ... so he told me 10K pounds. We imported 3,206,721 kg that year. Has anyone heard what has become of the ammo, and weapons procured during the Obama, Biden admin? Group loading is just an ‘accident’ waiting to happen. How much is granny going to want that $1,200 1911 chambered in 10mm nine months from now? While calculating your ammo’s recoil energy can be educational, it’s not an exact measure of how much kick you’re going to experience. Ammunition manufacturing capacity, for the United States market, is about 9 billion rounds per year. 53k @ 19¢ 9mm is over 10 thousand dollars, how many gun owners you know have more than just enough for a few mags, or maybe enough for one… Read more », Mike Carbine, You MAY be right, but every gun owner that I personally know has a 1K reserve per weapon, assuming that it’s centerfire. However, give the TSA a quick call to make sure you this is an acceptable solution. 5.56 NATO with 55 grainers was close to 26 pounds for 6K. Muzzle velocity can exceed 4,000 feet per second, and the heaviest bullets can generate more than 2,000 foot pounds of muzzle energy. Light weight, rounded corners and will not rust; Double latch design prevents accidental openings and promotes better sealing; Designed to hold up to 25 pounds of ammo or gear; Size: Inside Dim: 5.8”(L) x 11.0”(W) x 7.2”(H) if you are a shooter you need to be a reloader and you are best off being in a group of reloaders who standardize on common calibers, agree upon practice loads and work together. Only 54% of registered Republicans voted in 2020. Learn to load/reload your own……. These companies sell their own proprietary mix, made from smokeless powder that they imported. Prior to the virus, we went through 2,000 rounds per month in weekly practices… but that’s not possible now, and all 5 team members (including my 2 granddaughters) are highly unamused. There are only 2 modern smokeless powder mills in the US. 2: These numbers avoid counting firearms built for police and military, but don’t count when they’re surplussed. That may be doable since this involves the military. Not a thing to be done in a group over beers. Nope, no thanks, not for me. Hey gang, I was curious how much spare ammo you all carry (and how). Formerly known as jktruck150. If you divide 9 billion by 300 million it gets obvious why there is a shortage. I tell them we obviously need supply lines kept open, radio comms personnel, and have even taught a few how to reload ammo. 40 million weapons. current production is going! The larger question should be where is this current production going? In 2018, the total ammunition production for the United States was estimated at 8.7 billion rounds. Since it's your flight and your trip, how about you weigh the ammo and tell everyone else. You want to turn a shortage into a stoppage cut the powder supply. A well armed society is the leftists greatest threat. Alaska Airlines is more lax, however, as they will let you check up to 50 pounds of ammo on domestic flights 001-1999 and 2000-2999. was taken when there is an arrest with a gun and drugs seized) Several in attendance tried telling her that many there shot … National registration and gun confiscation will be their top agenda. A second front, if you will. I was referring to his comment about people who weren’t in the field on the front lines. I used search-engine software to check on the current “low” price of .50 BMG ammunition. How Much Ammo Can I Take? That is exactly my problem… primer availability. Both mills are owned by mega large DoD contractors, the WH leans on a super carrier or fighter program and they will cut a few hundred million in civie sales to save billions in large contracts. Ammunition manufacturers have increased their capacity. I thought that “working together” might just mean the sharing of components. @WI Patriot – What “front lines”? it really doesn’t take much to outrun the supply. Ammunition demand and manufacturing has increased since the closure and ammunition prices went DOWN at the same time under President Trump! Glad you all got it passed. Ammunition plants are running 24/7 to make profits while demand is high. I'm currently carrying two spare mags in my pocket with ammo armor carriers. It looks like the climate today is different and that is why the people who control Biden put the most anti-2nd Amendment agenda of all time right on his campaign website for everyone to read. All really good points by everyone regarding population and I agree 300 million is a dubious number (which is why I referred to the internet info) and thanks, it was only to point out the potential ratio for ammo. A .50 Caliber ammo can is 6″W x 12″L x 7.5″H (interior is about 11″ long. In 2014, we imported smokeless powder from 21 different countries. I will have to weigh my current ammo case and see what it weighs when totally full but that would be 100 rounds of 30-06 and 80 rounds of 375. One man’s conspiracy theorist is another man’s sage. Most of the ammunition plants were shut down immediately after the war. Guns, ammunition, other necessary supplies…??? Too bad most will not be able to find enough primers to complete 2 boxes of handgun ammo, as 99% of primer production is dedicated to new ammo products. The Boeing B-52 Stratofortress is just as cool as the name suggests. The entire population of the USA is estimated at around 328 million, which includes every man, woman & child of all ages. I can get specific prices in a few days. WI P, In 2014, we (MSSA) authored and enacted our “Ammunition Availability Act”. I really appreciate Dean going to all that work to help us keep in mind that with all the guns, gun owners, households etc. It was this initiative that taught me the situation back under B. Hussain’s admin. Of the 3 forms of powder ball/flake/extruded only the first 2 are allowed to be made in the US. That’s why when you show up at 10AM there isn’t any ammo left on the shelves! Option 2 would be an SKS (just need to find one that is not going for 600 dollars) which I would carry 150 rounds for it, so 4.11 pounds. Hopefully he keeps the car in a cool shady location and regularly rotate his stock. a pair of cans occupies 1 square foot. I reload everything as well. Good news is I’ve had significant failure drill practice :). Out of that 3%, how many actually know what they are doing, perhaps 10%…??? That’s why, once we get the primer supply problem solved, Everybody should reload. All the rest have been shut down and decommissioned. The problem is that far too many gun owners do not see the train coming until it hits them, so they suddenly find themselves without any stocks of ammunition and therefore panic. Russia, (Tula) Serbia (Wolf), Taiwan (Wolf Gold), Mexico (Aguila), Brazil,(Magtech), Sweden (Geco) ,are all still in business. We imported 3,206,721 kg that year. Those scandals went the way of all the others, such as their Fast & Furious scheme. Prices have risen. 99% of small arms ammunition for the military is produced at the Lake City ammunition plant in Independence, Missouri. The numbers for 2019 should be published in December of 2020. So that would be 2.81 pounds of ammo for option one. CJim, I coach a girls’ (age 11-15) pistol team, at a local gun club. Since most of the PG I will be hunting are the smaller animals I will take 60 rounds of 30-06. Why am I not seeing huge amounts of foreign made ammo appearing on the shelves? You are flying Delta and they have an 11 pound limit on ammo so you want someone to tell you what a box of 50 9mm weighs? They mix their imported smokeless powder. The Second Amendment is about… Read more », tetejaun _ you are exactly right. I'll round out the balance of 11 pounds with 44 mag ammo. ªq'Ý®â=Ê/îÃR¨íNxúÑlÞëm9ÄjÀ7 Other sources say anywhere from 39% to 50% of households. Senior Member . weapons and ammo procured during any other administration! It’s standard loadout includes: – eight AGM-84 Harpoon missiles Thank you sir for that information. Down into the memory hole. That would be .7 lbs of 22lr ammo. Covid isn’t even a real threat and yet everyone is wearing a damn mask. Hell, There are hardly anyone standing up for President Trump our President and they are already kissing Bidens ass so who is going to fight. This is a discussion on How much ammo is a lot of ammo? I appreciate that you are concerned about how many people can be fielded, but many of us are too old and/or infirm to do much more than bug in. At one point in October of 2018, .22 rimfire ammunition was available at 2.5 cents per round. The population of the United States is only 328 million…At best, there may be 100-125 million gunowners, with the number of guns at about 300 million…. That’s the reserve, not what they keeep around as expendable, which is usually more. f you are a shooter you need to be a reloader and you are best off being in a group of reloaders who standardize on common calibers, agree upon practice loads and work together.”, says what he meant pretty plainly. Are you contemplating bringing ammo up here ? The first ammunition bubble was from 2012 to 2017. I think it’s unlikely also. Sounds high. Round here, vehicle interiors can approach boiling point of water. Without adding in the 54m over 65 that leaves 103.1 million Americans that can not legally own a firearm. Add to that the china virus causing unemployment, ranges being closed for”fire hazzard”, the PRICE of ammo etc. For example, there are only two manufacturers of smokeless powder in the U.S., one plant owned by defense contractor General Dynamics and another owned by defense contractor Alliant Systems (ATK). Not talking about black powder, not BP substitutes, not high explosives, not TNT or what ever you think might make gun go boom. Neither of which involve explosives. The voters are… Read more ». Max is 11 pounds per adult when flying. In 2014, we imported smokeless powder from 21 different countries. 10-23-2006, 02:19 PM The next started in 2020. I’m not entirely sure… Read more », 300 million gunowners…??? In the face of increased demand, it has not been enough. If there are 100 million firearms for which owner keeps a thousand rounds – that gives us 100 billion stored rounds, short of trillions. Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. Just checked, I have enough primers myself to deal with any communist infestation in my own county. Even just… Read more », AM3, Since guns in a household may be used by more than one person, it’s inaccurate to assign a number to “gun owners”, gun owning households is a more accurate descriptor. ... you might want to look to your preps. I’m in Fairfax, a sanctuary city, NOT my fault-I swear, it’s a “diverse” neighborhood. Common calibers have disappeared from store shelves. I have a large stock, but they have to be easier to home brew than the powder right? We spent $44M that year. Oh, and before that, when Clinton was in office. within the Ammunition forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; There has to be an easier way to count out 1000 rds of 5.56 ammo than one at a time. Americans will kneel because it is so much easier than standing. The most easily found 6mm ammo has a pointed soft point bullet that weighs between 55 grains and 105 grains. We spent $44M that year. Subject had over a 1k rounds and making it sound how that was an excessive amount. Nor me either. See Carronade#Ordnance. Humidity plus regular hundred degree temperature swings are not good for your ammo. The same that happened to the weapons and ammo procured during any other administration! Additional rounds are procured from General Dynamics and provided by NATO forces to meet total requirements. From jmc.army.mil: After VJ day, all small caliber production plants except Lake City and Twin Cities were closed.Years later, the Korean Conflict would only require operation of six small caliber ammunition plants to meet wartime requirements. Save Share. The times they are a changin’. Reply. So 3% of 3.75mil is 375,000…Nice number, will it be enough, never can tell…. If I grab my ruger 10/22 another 300 rounds of 22lr plus the 100 for the handgun so another 2.11 pounds. Ammo shortages are the result of often well-founded panic at the potential for the Liberals to rescind our Constitutional rights nationally as they have done in Liberal run states like California. That is lumping all guns and all calibers together but it’s still instructive. I get it. Empty, they weigh around 4.5 pounds if made of steel. I have one, maybe two neighbors I can count on among the 50+ houses here. We have the modern Jacobins, the New World Khmer Rouge, the American Brownshirts threatening mayhem in the form of Black Lives Matter and the neomarxists. ... #11. He didn’t rally the Democrat legislators because he knew they wouldn’t pass any meaningful bill and it would just make him look bad. During that process, I researched our total imports for smokeless powder. Many of those are wall hangers or “revolver in the sock drawer” situations – for which owner likely has no more that’s a couple hundred rounds. Group buying is a great idea. So just chill. %-) For some reason putting it on is always easier. Perspective on the issue is critical for both planning and for effective actions to mitigate ammo shortages. How much ammo does one man/ team usually carry? But primers are completely non-existent! Doesn’t really change anything since FMJ is really all practice ammo. Didn’t really think you were that unaware. 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